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diff --git a/docs/change-license-emails.txt b/docs/change-license-emails.txt deleted file mode 100644 index 7086089..0000000 --- a/docs/change-license-emails.txt +++ /dev/null @@ -1,272 +0,0 @@ -From: intrigeri <intrigeri@boum.org> -To: Isis! <isis@patternsinthevoid.net> -Subject: AGPL library, really? -Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 17:38:46 +0000 - -Hi isis, - -I see on https://pypi.python.org/pypi/gnupg that you released this -library under AGPLv3. Is this correct? - -If it is, then you might be interested to have a look to this long -ongoing thread on debian-devel mailing-list where I've seen explained -(by people I trust on this topic) that AGPLv3 is really not well -suited for libraries -- to start with, quite some of its terms are -ambiguous when one tries to apply them to a library: -https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/07/msg00031.html - -Cheers, --- - intrigeri - | GnuPG key @ https://gaffer.ptitcanardnoir.org/intrigeri/intrigeri.asc - | OTR fingerprint @ https://gaffer.ptitcanardnoir.org/intrigeri/otr.asc - - -From: isis agora lovecruft <isis@patternsinthevoid.net> -To: intrigeri <intrigeri@boum.org> -Subject: Re: AGPL library, really? -Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2013 04:20:13 +0000 - -Hi intrigeri! - -intrigeri transcribed 2.3K bytes: -> I see on https://pypi.python.org/pypi/gnupg that you released this -> library under AGPLv3. Is this correct? - -Yes, that it correct. - -> If it is, then you might be interested to have a look to this long -> ongoing thread on debian-devel mailing-list where I've seen explained -> (by people I trust on this topic) that AGPLv3 is really not well -> suited for libraries -- to start with, quite some of its terms are -> ambiguous when one tries to apply them to a library: -> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/07/msg00031.html - -Okay, thanks! - -/me reads… - -I think this message better describes why AGPL is bad for libraries: -https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/07/msg00041.html or, at least, I -understood that one better than the first. - -I certainly do not want to make problems for Debian, and now that a bunch of -Tor, LEAP, CryptoParty, and Freebox projects, and perhaps soon Pip too, will -be depending on this, I *really* don't want to make anyone else's license hell -worse. - -Attached is an email from leap@lists.riseup.net where we had fisticuffs over -licensing opinions, wherein I explained my preference for AGPL for -everything. Essentially, I do not want people/corporations/etc. to use my work -in a closed source application and then potentially make changes to patch -found vulnerabilities without contributing those patches back to the main -codebase. - -Though, you're correct, this doesn't make sense for a library, as a -closed-source web-service frontend to this Python module likely isn't going to -get anyone exploited except the person running the service. So it doesn't make -as much sense. - -Do you know if it is okay for me to re-license it as regular GPL? - -Do you have any advice on which of GPLv(2|3)(\+)* that I should use? - -Thanks for pointing this out so quickly before it caused trouble, by the -way. :) - --- - ♥Ⓐisis agora lovecruft -_________________________________________________________ -GPG: 4096R/A3ADB67A2CDB8B35 -Current Keys: https://blog.patternsinthevoid.net/isis.txt - ---Attachment 1-- - Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 04:13:56 +0000 - From: isis agora lovecruft <isis@patternsinthevoid.net> - To: micah <micah@riseup.net> - Cc: leap@lists.riseup.net - X-GPG-Public-Key-URL: https://blog.patternsinthevoid.net/isis.txt - X-Louis-Lingg: In this hope do I say to you I despise you. I despise your - order, your laws, your force-propped authority. Hang me for it! - Subject: Re: [leap] license - - micah transcribed 1.3K bytes: - > Tomas Touceda <chiiph@riseup.net> writes: - > - > > On 05/13/2013 05:32 PM, elijah wrote: - > >> if you have any wisdom or opinions regarding the ever joyful and - > >> uncontroversial topic of free software licenses, then please deposit - > >> said wisdom or opinions in this wiki: - > >> - > >> https://we.riseup.net/leap/license - > >> - > >> in a nutshell, we need to decide on a license for the client. - > > - > > Does anybody have license knowledge a priori? Or should I get started - > > reading licenses? - > - > I'm supposed to have a more than zero knowledge of what constitutes free - > licenses due to my debian training, and debian is world-renknowned for - > having a particularly nasty debian-legal mailing list where licenses are - > chewed up and spit out... but I personally hate the topic and tend to - > avoid it as much as possible. - > - > So basically my opinons are: - > - > 1. no license that is incompatible with the DFSG[0] (debian free - > software guidelines) - it seems like we are probably in agreement about - > this? - - ACK - - > 2. BSD multi-claused licenses and MIT are confusing and annoying, so I - > tend to think they should be avoided due to this - > - - ACK - - > 3. openssl derived works require granting an exception with GPL licenses - > (an exception is trivial), so I prefer gnutls code where possible - > - - ACK - - > 4. it seems weird to make things AGPL that aren't webapps - > - - I started release everything I could AGPLv3 three years ago, after a - conversation with some other activist free-software devs: - - Me: "I want a license which says 'If you are part of any governing body or - corporation which contracts to any private or public military entity, then - you should go fuck youself. And no, you cannot use my software -- I will - sue your pants off.'" - - Them: "Isis, that is silly, and even na=C3=AFve. Universities are libraries are - often 'part of governing bodies', you don't want to exclude them, do you? - And also, you're like not going to see the blobs your code is included - in...it will get privately installed on custom military and law - enforcement hardware, and when they're done with it it'll go and rot - outside on a base or in a police confiscation parking lot somewhere." - - Me: "Hum. I hate talking about licenses anyway." - - Them: "Yeah, it sucks. But it's important for us to take this seriously, - because the tools we're working on have the potential for helping us - better organise at protests, as well as better help the cops kettle us - into paddy wagons." [one of the tools was a crisis mapping thing] - - Different one of them: "Perhaps you both should read AGPL, and see if that - helps. I don't think using law against them is going to work, because we - can't assume they will play by the rules, but if we're arguing licenses - anyway..." - - AGPL also seems useful when it seems possible that shady closed-source - startups are going to add a fancier UI or other feature to your code, and then - market it. This is especially worrying, not because they are "stealing users", - but because it's never clear if vulns discovered in your own code have been - fixed in theirs and vice versa. Or, it could get used in way that is - dangerous, or that it wasn't meant for. (For example, there is currently a - concern that a certain shell company is going to use OONI's code on these - little android-system-on-a-USB dongly thingies...and there are certain dangers - with Tor on Android that these people either don't understand or have no - intention of warning users about.) - - Anyway. There is my argument for AGPL. - - Though I also hate these discussions, don't care about laws, think reformism - is bunk, WTFPL is the only sane LICENSE, and all that jazz, so I'm going to go - stand over there -----------------------------------------------------------> - and watch everybody else duke it out. :) - - -- - ♥Ⓐ isis agora lovecruft - _________________________________________________________ - GPG: 4096R/A3ADB67A2CDB8B35 - Current Keys: https://blog.patternsinthevoid.net/isis.txt ---End Attachment 1-- - -From: intrigeri <intrigeri@boum.org> -To: Isis! <isis@patternsinthevoid.net> -Subject: Re: AGPL library, really? -Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 18:30:46 +0000 - -Hi isis, - -isis agora lovecruft wrote (07 Jul 2013 04:20:13 GMT) : -> I think this message better describes why AGPL is bad for libraries: -> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/07/msg00041.html -> or, at least, I understood that one better than the first. - -TBH, I've pointed you at the beginning of the thread because I was too -lazy to go fetch the best email in there. I'm glad it helps anyway. - -> Do you know if it is okay for me to re-license it as regular GPL? - -I've just re-read a bit to confirm, and my conclusion is that: yeah, -as the sole copyright holder (is this the case?) you can freely -re-licence to whatever you want. - -> Do you have any advice on which of GPLv(2|3)(\+)* that I should use? - -I usually do GPL-3+, but I would not be able to defend it seriously -against v2 or v2+. - -> Thanks for pointing this out so quickly before it caused trouble, by the -> way. :) - -Np. - -Cheers! --- - intrigeri - | GnuPG key @ https://gaffer.ptitcanardnoir.org/intrigeri/intrigeri.asc - | OTR fingerprint @ https://gaffer.ptitcanardnoir.org/intrigeri/otr.asc - -From: isis agora lovecruft <isis@patternsinthevoid.net> -To: intrigeri <intrigeri@boum.org> -Subject: Re: AGPL library, really? -Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 09:24:12 +0000 - -intrigeri transcribed 2.6K bytes: -> isis agora lovecruft wrote (07 Jul 2013 04:20:13 GMT) : -> > Do you know if it is okay for me to re-license it as regular GPL? -> -> I've just re-read a bit to confirm, and my conclusion is that: yeah, -> as the sole copyright holder (is this the case?) you can freely -> re-licence to whatever you want. - -Hey intrigeri, - -I've decided to re-license with your recommendation of GPL3+. Is it okay to -credit you and/or publicly point to these emails as the basis for the -rationale for the switch? - --- - ♥Ⓐ isis agora lovecruft -_________________________________________________________ -GPG: 4096R/A3ADB67A2CDB8B35 -Current Keys: https://blog.patternsinthevoid.net/isis.txt - -From: intrigeri <intrigeri@boum.org> -To: Isis! <isis@patternsinthevoid.net> -Subject: Re: AGPL library, really? -Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 22:33:35 +0000 - -Hi isis, - -> Is it okay to credit you and/or publicly point to these emails as -> the basis for the rationale for the switch? - -Feel free to credit me if you wish, but I certainly don't feel it's -necessary. - -I feel a bit lazy to read this thread again to check if it's fine to -publish stuff from there, so if you don't mind, I'd rather skip this -part ;) - -Cheers, --- - intrigeri - | GnuPG key @ https://gaffer.ptitcanardnoir.org/intrigeri/intrigeri.asc - | OTR fingerprint @ https://gaffer.ptitcanardnoir.org/intrigeri/otr.asc |